dark4190 · Jun 28, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37

I was out in the City of Torc'qua farming, using a 600/smite build. After beating it, I was lead into Stygian Veil where I saw a quest that talked about a "near infinite" amount of creatures. Being a 600 tank, I saw potential loot and decided to try it. So I tanked them, and found out that they used touch skills.

OK, cool.. now heres the thing: I noticed while tanking the Stygian Hungers I hit 1hp A LOT of times, nearly 20 times. I even let Prot Spirit and Spirit Bond drop, and yet I was still alive, with 1 hp. The only time I died is when they physically attacked me rather than used their touch skills.

Screenshots:

Rhododendron · Jun 28, 2009, 09:33 PM // 21:33

Hi. i had the occasion of seeing that myself a couple of times. I think it must be some kind of glitch. Its pretty interesting, i think it happens only when you reach that point under the effect of a hex, poison, or some kind of health degenerative spell . Then for a couple of moments nothing happens. First i used to just ctrl click it like crazy

, after a while i noticed that it keeps long enough so you can do something about it.
It sounds more radical to you though. 20 times is kinda much. This has to be covered by someone around here by now. these guys.. have the tendency to post much about anything.

Bob Slydell · Jun 28, 2009, 09:37 PM // 21:37

I don't think you can be killed by lifesteal as it's not really considered damage, although it still adds nice DPS to anything since it takes health, just like damage does, lol. But no I don't think you can be killed by life steal itself.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Life_steal

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jun 28, 2009, 09:39 PM // 21:39

Clicky
12 chars

EDIT: NM that would not be it, sorry.

MisterB · Jun 28, 2009, 09:43 PM // 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisworld

I don't think you can be killed by lifesteal as it's not really considered damage, although it still adds nice DPS to anything since it takes health, just like damage does, lol. But no I don't think you can be killed by life steal itself.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Life_steal

That is false. Blood spike says hi. Or touch rangers. It's easy enough to test life steal in Isle of Nameless; you can kill a target or one of the masters using only life steal skills.

@OP: You should be dead.

Bug?

silavor · Jun 28, 2009, 10:05 PM // 22:05

He's got a guardian angel, 'nuff said!

But is it possible that you're just lagging badly? I find that when I have massive lag spikes, all degen and damage stops on me at 1hp, only to kill me when my client catches up with the server.

Bob Slydell · Jun 28, 2009, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

That is false. Blood spike says hi. Or touch rangers. It's easy enough to test life steal in Isle of Nameless; you can kill a target or one of the masters using only life steal skills.

@OP: You should be dead.

Bug?

I never remember it being like that, I could have sworn that It didn't really kill people. Whatever... The best of us are wrong sometimes.

Bill Clinton · Jun 28, 2009, 10:31 PM // 22:31

Its not a bug, it was just strange luck. The hungers were at low health, and started to use grenths balance on you. You will have been very lucky - they were all at a very low threshold of health so above all other skills they were prefering to use GB on you than anything else, in an attempt to heal. Convinently they had also dropped your health too, at the perfect time. Since its grenths balance - you were neither dying, and they were'nt gaining health either.
You got caught in a strange stalemate, untill the AI tried something else. (probably one of the hungers with more health)

EDIT
Okay, yeah, this post was full of fail. I didnt even look at the screenshot. The symbiosis dropping thing sounds 20 times more realistic.

Pony Slaystation · Jun 28, 2009, 11:14 PM // 23:14

did you have symbiosis up, then let it drop?

Helix Dreadlock · Jun 28, 2009, 11:14 PM // 23:14

Best 600 ever.

Idk, prob the life-steal thing, since it really ISNT damage.

Pony Slaystation · Jun 28, 2009, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Well to me, it looks like you had symbiosis up for a while, then let it drop.
The game thinks of this as you having less than one hp, but the regen keeps you alive. Since life-stealing doesn't cause "damage", it doesn't kill you. Healing, and regular "damage dealing" attacks cause the game to see your health as being altered. Since it is being changed to a number that is below 1, it would kill you. Life stealing however, isn't damage, so it won't kill you.

RedDog91 · Jun 28, 2009, 11:33 PM // 23:33

LifeStealing is damage. If you don't believe me, 55 farm in an area with rits that use Nightmare Weapon.

Helix Dreadlock · Jun 28, 2009, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDog91

LifeStealing is damage. If you don't believe me, 55 farm in an area with rits that use Nightmare Weapon.

He had succor on though, so a constant +1 hp. It'd counter the 1 damage.

Pony Slaystation · Jun 29, 2009, 12:12 AM // 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDog91

LifeStealing is damage. If you don't believe me, 55 farm in an area with rits that use Nightmare Weapon.

What I mean is, Lifestealing isn't "damage", by game mechanics.
Try using protective spirit against it. It doesn't reduce the amount of health lost from the lifestealing skill.

Bob Slydell · Jun 29, 2009, 01:12 AM // 01:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pony Slaystation

What I mean is, Lifestealing isn't "damage", by game mechanics.
Try using protective spirit against it. It doesn't reduce the amount of health lost from the lifestealing skill.

This is correct, it is not damage at all...all life stealing really is in lame mans terms is a number that is guaranteed to be taken away from your opponent's HP bar and given to your HP bar if that foe has enough HP to supply the heal (if close to death then you obviously wont be healed for the full amount)

Life stealing cannot be negated.

Snograt · Jun 29, 2009, 11:08 AM // 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisworld

in lame mans terms

Thank you for the best mondegreen I've seen this year ^_^

Back on-topic - a 1hp 600? I can hear the exploiter-cogs a-turnin'...

360?? · Jun 29, 2009, 12:05 PM // 12:05

Only theory I can think is that Succor keeps you alive with it's +1hp regen. Vamp touch only steal 1 hp and for some reason that regen is enough to counter it.

Zamochit · Jun 29, 2009, 12:28 PM // 12:28

The point is that vamp touch from a lvl 28 monster should kill you if you have 1hp, even at 0 blood magic vampiric touch/bite will steal up to 29hp. Lifesteal is different to damage as it will never exceed the actual current hitpoints at the time of casting. If you have 50hp and are hit with a lvl 0 vampiric touch you will lose 29hp leaving you with 21hp. If you are then hit with a second lvl 0 vampiric touch the maximum lifesteal will be 21hp because that is all the 'life' you have left. The only thing I can think of is that the lifesteal is being calculated before health regeneration from succour is calculated. It is still a bug imo and belongs in the bug section.

aka Easy · Jun 29, 2009, 05:04 PM // 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zamochit

The point is that vamp touch from a lvl 28 monster should kill you if you have 1hp, even at 0 blood magic vampiric touch/bite will steal up to 29hp. Lifesteal is different to damage as it will never exceed the actual current hitpoints at the time of casting. If you have 50hp and are hit with a lvl 0 vampiric touch you will lose 29hp leaving you with 21hp. If you are then hit with a second lvl 0 vampiric touch the maximum lifesteal will be 21hp because that is all the 'life' you have left. The only thing I can think of is that the lifesteal is being calculated before health regeneration from succour is calculated. It is still a bug imo and belongs in the bug section.

If this were true, shouldn't you survive lifesteal attempts when you 55 with regen from healing breeze or mending? The most the creature should be able to steal would be 55 health since it's ignoring prot spirit, but since you're using runes and mods to lower your health, it may be some game mechanic that works backwards from 600.

Rot wallows from MQSC lifesteal too, wonder if any of the speed clearers out there have noticed what you're saying here.

AmoebaInfectionTechnique · Jun 29, 2009, 07:36 PM // 19:36

It must be the R/Mo with Patient Spirit..

Jun 28, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37	#1
dark4190 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: IGN: Serial Experiments Guild: Farm people, not drops Profession: Mo/	Why didn't this kill me? Only got 1hp I was out in the City of Torc'qua farming, using a 600/smite build. After beating it, I was lead into Stygian Veil where I saw a quest that talked about a "near infinite" amount of creatures. Being a 600 tank, I saw potential loot and decided to try it. So I tanked them, and found out that they used touch skills. OK, cool.. now heres the thing: I noticed while tanking the Stygian Hungers I hit 1hp A LOT of times, nearly 20 times. I even let Prot Spirit and Spirit Bond drop, and yet I was still alive, with 1 hp. The only time I died is when they physically attacked me rather than used their touch skills. Screenshots:

Jun 28, 2009, 09:39 PM // 21:39	#4
Kerwyn Nasilan Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: WHERE DO YOU THINK Profession: W/	Clicky 12 chars EDIT: NM that would not be it, sorry. Last edited by Kerwyn Nasilan; Jun 28, 2009 at 09:42 PM // 21:42..

Jun 28, 2009, 10:31 PM // 22:31	#8
Bill Clinton Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2009	Its not a bug, it was just strange luck. The hungers were at low health, and started to use grenths balance on you. You will have been very lucky - they were all at a very low threshold of health so above all other skills they were prefering to use GB on you than anything else, in an attempt to heal. Convinently they had also dropped your health too, at the perfect time. Since its grenths balance - you were neither dying, and they were'nt gaining health either. You got caught in a strange stalemate, untill the AI tried something else. (probably one of the hungers with more health) EDIT Okay, yeah, this post was full of fail. I didnt even look at the screenshot. The symbiosis dropping thing sounds 20 times more realistic. Last edited by Bill Clinton; Jun 28, 2009 at 11:51 PM // 23:51..

Jun 28, 2009, 09:33 PM // 21:33	#2
Rhododendron Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2009 Profession: Rt/	Hi. i had the occasion of seeing that myself a couple of times. I think it must be some kind of glitch. Its pretty interesting, i think it happens only when you reach that point under the effect of a hex, poison, or some kind of health degenerative spell . Then for a couple of moments nothing happens. First i used to just ctrl click it like crazy , after a while i noticed that it keeps long enough so you can do something about it. It sounds more radical to you though. 20 times is kinda much. This has to be covered by someone around here by now. these guys.. have the tendency to post much about anything.

Jun 28, 2009, 09:37 PM // 21:37	#3
Bob Slydell Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2007	I don't think you can be killed by lifesteal as it's not really considered damage, although it still adds nice DPS to anything since it takes health, just like damage does, lol. But no I don't think you can be killed by life steal itself. http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Life_steal

Jun 28, 2009, 10:05 PM // 22:05	#6
silavor Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada Guild: Keepers Of Twilight	He's got a guardian angel, 'nuff said! But is it possible that you're just lagging badly? I find that when I have massive lag spikes, all degen and damage stops on me at 1hp, only to kill me when my client catches up with the server.

Jun 28, 2009, 11:14 PM // 23:14	#9
Pony Slaystation Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cardboard Box Guild: Guilds are irrelevant. This... is...... BUILD WARS!!! Profession: Rt/	did you have symbiosis up, then let it drop?

Jun 28, 2009, 11:14 PM // 23:14	#10
Helix Dreadlock Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Imperial Sanctum Guild: Legendary Drunken Masters [DUI] Profession: E/Me	Best 600 ever. Idk, prob the life-steal thing, since it really ISNT damage.

Jun 28, 2009, 11:29 PM // 23:29	#11
Pony Slaystation Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cardboard Box Guild: Guilds are irrelevant. This... is...... BUILD WARS!!! Profession: Rt/	Well to me, it looks like you had symbiosis up for a while, then let it drop. The game thinks of this as you having less than one hp, but the regen keeps you alive. Since life-stealing doesn't cause "damage", it doesn't kill you. Healing, and regular "damage dealing" attacks cause the game to see your health as being altered. Since it is being changed to a number that is below 1, it would kill you. Life stealing however, isn't damage, so it won't kill you.

Jun 28, 2009, 11:33 PM // 23:33	#12
RedDog91 Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Farming for Nick gifts Profession: R/	LifeStealing is damage. If you don't believe me, 55 farm in an area with rits that use Nightmare Weapon.

Jun 29, 2009, 12:05 PM // 12:05	#17
360?? Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: F͊̕҉̡͍̘͍̜̬̲̪u͒͗̍̽ͭ& Guild: F͊̕҉̡͍̘͍̜̬̲̪u͒͗̍̽ͭ& Profession: W/Mo	Only theory I can think is that Succor keeps you alive with it's +1hp regen. Vamp touch only steal 1 hp and for some reason that regen is enough to counter it.

Jun 29, 2009, 12:28 PM // 12:28	#18
Zamochit Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: N/A	The point is that vamp touch from a lvl 28 monster should kill you if you have 1hp, even at 0 blood magic vampiric touch/bite will steal up to 29hp. Lifesteal is different to damage as it will never exceed the actual current hitpoints at the time of casting. If you have 50hp and are hit with a lvl 0 vampiric touch you will lose 29hp leaving you with 21hp. If you are then hit with a second lvl 0 vampiric touch the maximum lifesteal will be 21hp because that is all the 'life' you have left. The only thing I can think of is that the lifesteal is being calculated before health regeneration from succour is calculated. It is still a bug imo and belongs in the bug section.

Jun 29, 2009, 07:36 PM // 19:36	#20
AmoebaInfectionTechnique Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2008	It must be the R/Mo with Patient Spirit..